Should apologize to Uganda’s Gay community, the U.K. LGBTI Community and to Bloggers he unjustly accused
By Melanie Nathan, Feb 20, 2013.
Since exposing Paul Shinners, as an Evangelical Christian extremist, who spoke at the Ugandan New years eve Rally, where much anti-gay sentiment was expressed by a group of pastors, local UK activists are incensed by the attempted manipulation by Shinners of local St. Neots press, where he attempted to paint his support of the Ugandan Anti-Homosexuality Bill as untrue.
Shinners’ issued a statement that he is not homophobic. However while he has admitted making the remarks at the rally, he has failed to provide specific answers to the questions regarding what his remarks meant, the most important of which is what he meant by the word “PLAN” if he was not referring to the Anti-Homosexuality Bill:-
“There is no other nation world over that has such a plan and through this, Uganda is going to be blessed,” Said Rev. Paul Shinners.
This remark expresses the known Evangelical battle cry against homosexuality. What Evangelicals believe is that for as long as a country accepts homosexuality, it will lose the hand of God’s protection. When a plan such as the Anti-homosexuality bill is implemented, and it calls for the killing and life imprisonment of of gays, God will bless that country and protect it. This is the view that Shinners subscribes to, unless of course he can attribute another meaning to his use of the word “PLAN,” given, also, the context of the remarks made by the other preachers on the same stage that night, where all in unison called for passage of the Kill the Gays Bill.
To counter the accusations all Shinners could blog was:
“The purpose of my visit on the 31st December 2012 to The 7th National Day of Prayer in Uganda was simply to preach the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which I did.This event is a New Year’s celebration for Christians and non Christians alike. It is NOT an anti-gay rally as has been wrongly stated on Facebook.I am NOT HOMOPHOBIC. Never have been. Never will. I have NEVER ever made any homophobic comments. As Christians we follow the commands which Jesus taught, to LOVE GOD AND LOVE PEOPLE. That means ALL PEOPLE, irrespective of race, colour or sexuality.I do not and will not support any legislation or law which condemns anyone on the basis of the above criteria. However, It is also not right to slander or demonise Christians on Facebook. I would ask that people respect my staff and customers at Cornerstone. We had to close the shop on Saturday 5th January as they were frightened to come in. This is not right. I hope that this clarifies our position.
However this does not clarify nor explain Shinners remarks in Uganda and he has failed to clarify the use of the words, while never denying actually making the statement.
Bishop David Kiganda, (who you can see on the same poster as Shiners and who heads the Rally ) was one of the pastors spearheading the call for the anti-gay bill, and while sharing the event stage with Shinners and others, noted in his New Year’s rally speech:
“We ask Members of Parliament to stop wasting time debating the Bill but simply pass it to save school-going children, who are at risk of being recruited. Our leaders should desist from any act that would frustrate this proposed law…”
A local blogger in St. Neots , DB Law has tried on several occasions to get together with Shinners, however the preacher kept cancelling the meeting. What Shinners does not realize is that we are going to keep drawing attention to his Ugandan remarks until he explains what he meant by the word PLAN, answers the numerous other questions posed to him in writing, or until he apologizes to the Ugandan Gay Community for what he may want to admit was a mistake or lapse in judgment on his part – unless of course it was not. Shinners also owes Melanie Nathan and Barry Duke an apology for his unwarranted accusations where he accused us of defaming him, when he knows that is he cannot deny nor explain his remarks.
Some two months after his remarks in Uganda, and being sent a copy of the Anti-Homosexuality Bill in an e-mail from me, Shinners pompously noted in an e-mail to DB Law that had he known “sooner” about the Kill the Gays Bill, he would have been able to exert influence to the Ugandans to drop the Bill. He has had 8 weeks to implement his so called ‘influence’ and has still done nothing to indicate that he has made any outreach to Uganda’s Evangelical or Political community to thwart the Bill at all. (See https://oblogdeeoblogda.me/2013/02/13/u-k-preacher-paul-shinners-claims-he-could-have-stopped-the-anti-homosexuality-bill-in-uganda/)
Here is the most recent report in the local St. Neots Paper, The Hunts Post:-
“Barry Duke, editor of the atheist magazine Freethinker, and the human rights campaigner Melanie Nathan, who writes the blog http://oblogdeeoblogda.me, insisted they were right to post the items about Cornerstone Cafe owner Paul Shinners on their respective websites.
The pair alleged that Mr Shinners had said that Uganda, the country he was visiting, would be “blessed” if it passed the controversial Anti-Homosexuality Bill – a claim Mr Shinners vehemently denies.
However, Ms Nathan said she would not apologise for the post and said Mr Shinners had not contacted her directly to ask for an apology.
“There is no question about it in my mind at all,” she said. “He stood on that stage and spoke those words.”
Ms Nathan said she used “blogger’s licence” to report his words as quoted by The Daily Monitor newspaper in Uganda. She said she did not contact him to ask him about his remarks until after she had posted the piece.
Mr Shinners says the quote was not related to the anti-gay bill and that she and Mr Duke should have contacted him first for an explanation.
“People picked it up and ran with it,” Ms Nathan said. “I’m actually really glad it went where it did. People from his local area started to ask questions about the guy in their midst.”
Mr Duke, who lives in Spain, said: “He hasn’t explained an awful lot about how that comment came about. If he has a genuine, plausible explanation I would be more than happy to discuss with him, carry a statement to that effect and blog it accordingly.”
For more – READ DB Law’s Blog at http://time4change2013.blogspot.co.uk/
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- Protest planned outside St Neots cafe over “anti-gay comments” (huntspost.co.uk)
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How remarkable: not a single mention of the fact that another local UK blogger has reported on the situation, highlighted the flaws and inadequacies in your supposed case against Paul Shinners, and offered to not only meet up with Daniel B Law but even pay for the coffee and his taxi fare to and from Cornerstone; nor any mention of the perfectly clear explanations Paul has already given you by email.
Paul has stated quite explicitly that:
1. He does not support the Ugandan ‘Kill the Gays’ Bill;
2. He did not speak in support of the Bill;
3. His words have been quoted out of context;
4. He unreservedly repudiates homophobia.
And your repeated response has been to offer him nothing but denigration and accusations — and yet you somehow expect him to engage with you in dialogue? You dismiss everything Paul Shinners says, treat him with contempt, pour scorn upon his every word. Do you really consider this to be a constructive or reasonable approach to Paul, to anyone, or even to life in general? Is this how you conduct yourself in your Private Courts?
Time to stop clutching at straws, admit you’ve blundered and move on, Melanie…
ARE you unable to read Mr. Groom or do you think that you can simply be untruthful in your comment?
1.I have quoted the ONLY statement that Shinners has released, directly from his Blog.
2. I have quoted and linked to two UK Bloggers here and on my earlier Blog as well as directly copied the UK HUNTS POst here on my Blog.
3, Shinners has FAILED to answer my questions and the questions of the other bloggers – or do you want me to repeat the entire article in this comment?
If you are so interested in defending Mr Shinners then how about YOU getting the answer from him and coming back here to explain.
Here is the Question to ask Shinners Mr. Groom:-
1.PAUL SHINNERS TO WHAT EXACTLY WERE YOU REFERRING WHEN YOU USED THE WORD “PLAN” in your SPEECH (PREACHING) IN UGANDA AT THE LAST NEW YEAR’S EVE RALLY?
2.DID YOU HEAR YOUR FELLOW PASTORS ASK FOR PASSAGE OF THE ANTI-HOMOSEXUALITY BILL?
3. WHY DID YOU DO NOTHING TO ADVOCATE AGAINST THE BILL – IF YOU ARE TRULY AGAINST IT AND YOU WERE IN UGANDA WHILE OTHER WERE ASKING FOR ITS PASSAGE?
Paul Shinners owes us those answers. My accusations are blunt and to the point and will continue until I get an answer and/or an apology from Shinners. Mr. Groom I did engage Shinners in private and he lied in the emails and was dishonest when he said he would get back to me with answers yet did not! Its been two months??
Mr. Shinners is the not the victim here. The LGBTI community in Uganda are being persecuted Mr. groom and I dont see you giving them one minute airtime on your BLOG. Obviously your form of Christianity does not give a damn whether they live or die, whether they are persecuted either. If you did, you too would be asking Mr. Shinners to do something about connecting with his Ugandan contacts to start preaching specifically against the anti-gay Bill. All you are interested in is yelling “poor Mr. shinners” who sits in cushy UK, while Ugandan gays are being horribly persecuted as we speak. Just today I received e-mails from Ugandan gays who are hiding out in safe houses, terrified for their lives and all you can do with your form of Christianity is endorse haters. Until you and Paul Shinners do something proactive to help the situation, don’t bother me or my readers anymore. Thank you…..
Phil, I still can’t see my comments on your blog.
You have shown yourself to be an untrustworthy and biased source of information.
I contacted Paul with a constructive, open-minded, reasonable approach, but had no luck, and now you pop up with your “smear campaign” propaganda.
You clearly are neither a good man nor a christian if you continue to deliberately cover Paul Shinners tracks and manipulate the facts.
Are you really that hypocritical to censor me, after the crap you gave me about being fair? You are a joke.
Your attempts to manipulate public opinion have been clever, but have only shown you to be one of Paul Shinners puppets.
Your continued efforts to pervert the truth will only intensify my efforts.
You might want to grow up and post my comments before Paul blames you for only making the situation worse!
You have picked apart anything anyone has said against Shinners in great detail, yet you have not challenged my evidence proving that Shinners is part of an ANTI-GAY church!
If i am wrong, i’m sure you would’ve let me know by now!
You yourself have shown that you don’t know paul well or even know what homophobia means!
You are the one clutching at straws. Paul Shinners got caught and you people really think he can get away with it? You have made the blunder. You really should start preparing some letters of apology, before you go down with the sinking ship.
Hmmm… that’s quite some tirade from y’all: would you like to reintroduce the stocks so that you throw rotten tomatoes at me as well?
More seriously, Melanie: I’d be grateful if you would identify the supposed untruths in my comment, please, if that assertion wasn’t simply a case of you hyping it up in an attempt to make a point? If the latter, what exactly was that point, please?
As to your specific points:
1. You have indeed cited Paul’s public statement. But you appear to have completely disregarded or dismissed the rest of his email correspondence with you, which is all in the public domain courtesy of Daniel B Law. In that correspondence, especially in “4th e-mail to Melanie Nathan (9th January)” Paul very clearly explains what he was about. What is it that you find so difficult to accept in that explanation?
2. I’m aware of your links to Daniel B Law’s and Barry Duke’s blogs: is it those you mean when you refer to quoting and linking to two UK bloggers? If so, please note that Barry Duke is based in Spain, not in the UK. The other local UK blogger to whom I refer in my opening paragraph — and whose blog you have taken advantage of to post a link to this post — is, of course, myself.
3. Paul has given perfectly clear answers to your questions in the email correspondence cited above: once again, then, I ask, what is that you find so difficult to accept in those answers? Upon what basis do you dismiss his explanation and demand further clarifications? And given the openly aggressive tone and accusatory nature of your messages and postings, why are you surprised that he has declined further correspondence? As Chris Jeffries has put it, “If someone was to throw rotten eggs at you, Melanie, would you be inclined to stay and talk or would you walk around the nearest corner and stay out of sight?” Your approach is hardly conducive to constructive dialogue, is it?
As for me questioning Paul on your behalf, the answer is no, I will not deputise for you in your inquisition. My suggestion is that you contact him with an apology for starting off on the wrong foot and seek reconciliation; it may then be possible to resume dialogue at a less hostile level — but that is, of course, for you to decide. On your present course, however, you are in danger of becoming the very thing you claim to despise: an outright bigot.
Your concern for Uganda’s LGBT community is laudable but it does not legitimate what appears to be an ongoing hate-campaign against Paul Shinners.
In response to Cathy’s allegation, Paul has not made any claims to me about this matter: my observations are based upon his correspondence with you, Melanie; and finally, for now, if you do indeed have a recording of Paul’s speech, why not publish a transcript, then we would all be able to read his comment in its original context?
Thank you.
(Third time of posting this, by the way… hopefully third time lucky: we shall see)
All comments are moderated. You are in the UK and I am in USA. So if you post during my sleeping hours, it will appear thereafter. So no need to post more than once, The reason for moderation is because of the many hate comments against gays which use offensive language that I will not, as a general rule, put up on my blog.
Eminently sensible, Melanie; though my postings of this comment were on three successive days, so there may be a glitch in the moderation system somewhere there. No matter: pax.
If you read the letters properly – and I have no idea what Daniel posted or in what order. PAUL SHINNERS gave a general response to my questions. Then I set out the questions in numbered format asking for specifics as what he had answered was not specific and did not answer at all to the specifics. SUCH AS THE WORD PLAN? and the Context. He promised said he would answer my numbered questions after I responded to an email of his, which I did. I am still waiting for his answers Phil. He has not answered the question as to what he specifically meant by hos words. He has never denied making that statement – in fact admits them in his emails. Good luck with your Paul Shinners advocacy.
Given the increasingly aggressive and accusatory tone of your correspondence and subsequent blogging, Melanie, I suspect it’s unlikely that Paul will engage further with you. As has been said before, when someone starts throwing rotten eggs at you, the sensible response is to walk away.
I applaud your stance against the Ugandan gay-hate bill but I find it incredibly sad — and disappointing — to see you wasting so much of your time campaigning against a man who might, if you’d approached him differently at the outset, have been your ally. Instead, you have driven him away. This whole exchange has been rather reminiscent of the Jeremiah’s Underpants shenanigans, when CCJ made false allegations of antisemitism against Stephen Sizer (Google it if you don’t get the reference).
If you read through Paul’s replies to your emails properly, you’ll find all the answers you need there, if not all the answers you want. But no matter: as Paul himself has said, let’s hope the Ugandan bill is not passed. I wish you well.
Paul was insincere from the start. Clearly you have not seen how the emails between us morphed. All he had to do was answer the questions. I am not the one who went to Uganda and stood on the stage with genocidal maniacs. I dont engage with such people in the same way as I would with people who are rational. PHIL did you watch the video on this post? Shinners has done nothing to abstract himself from this association. Until such time, I dont believe he is deserving of anything different from me. It is not my job to help him clear his name – albeit I tried – it is his. It is my job to expose him and I did. He has had two months to do something different and he does not have to do it with me. He can publish his apology directly to the gays of Uganda and the U.K. Gays too. I am not interested in engaging him any further – its not my job. Its his duty to do a lot more to absolve himself from the odious associations he has mdae. Truth is he probably does not want to rock his Ugandan Evangelical Boat – so here you go participating in scapegoating me, to detract from Shinners’ real responsibility. Stop making me the story – and focus on what Shinners ought to be doing. Bottom line – he has not told me or anyone what he meant by his statement, re his specific wording and nor has he divorced himself from his host or those with whom he shared the stage.
Evangelicals like Paul Shinners all have two versions of every story it seems – one for the people paying their way, and another for those who find what they’re peddling abhorrent. So, thumping his chest in Uganda over New Years he was thrilled with the PLAN to imprison homosexuals for life (we’ll pretend the death penalty that hasn’t been removed somehow magically has), and to imprison friends, neighbors, family members, doctors, etc. for not turning in gays in the PLAN’s orchestrated witch hunts. Once the truth is discovered back home though, the second version must be trotted out. Scott Lively loves homosexuals too, all the while reading Romans 1:32 about executing them. ‘Love the sinner, hate the sin’ has an interesting new use – Hate us when speaking with one crowd, pretend to love for the other.
Problem for Paul Shinners is he’s caught in between the two now. First he admits to the statements in the Monitor to Melanie Nathan, then he claims to Phil Groom he was misquoted, or taken out of context, or whatever the excuse. Then he claims he’s demanded an apology, but then you find out he hasn’t really. The funniest claim is the latest that he could have stopped the bill if only someone had asked him to! Now that is some chest thumping.
And Mr. Shinners doesn’t really have to explain what he meant by PLAN. We all know it as it was laid out by Scott Lively in Uganda back in 2009. You can read, listen and/or watch it as it was taped – Google ‘Missionaries of Hate’. Or you can read the Kill The Gays bill and see the result. You can also read how Lively bragged of the ‘campaign’ as a ‘nuclear bomb’. Quoted words Lively’s, not mine. The quote attributed to Mr. Shinners from the Monitor “There is no other nation world over that has such a plan and through this, Uganda is going to be blessed” clearly delivers Lively’s exact sentiment “Nobody has been able to stop them [homosexuals] so far, I’m hoping Uganda can.”
Why doesn’t Paul Shinners just answer the questions being asked, or is he still preparing two versions of answers?
Well Said Cathy. So true you have nailed it.
I think that Shinners has not answered the question about the PLAN because he may know that we have a recording of his words – so we can prove that he said what he said. Yes we have judged him a homophobe in the articles we have written because we have taken what he said in the context of the Rally and what others said there calling more specifically than he did for the passage of The Kill the Gays Bill.
So he has not answered because he does not have contextual explanation for his choice of words. So its easier to skirt around it and bash the LGBT community for standing up for our brothers and sisters in Uganda. In truth we are standing up vs the Global war that fundamentalists are waging against gay people worldwide, including here at home in the U.S.A.
He just does not have an answer because it is true that he was pandering on that stage to the sentiment being expressed. Because we have HIS words, the onus is on him to prove otherwise……
So they can bash away at gays as much as they want out of one nostril and the pretend to love us out of the other….. however if they truly believe in God – which I often wonder about – they would do the right Christian thing and be on their knees begging the Ugandans to drop the AHB. Imagine how much good could have been dont by Groom and Shinners with all the time they have wasted fighting with bloggers over our work about Shinners.
My hope is that they will wake up and get honest…. they are so misguided…. its a shame.
Phil, you have censored many of my comments because you cannot fault them (even after i followed your “rules”), you are very biased and an untrustworthy source and have shown yourself to be a hypocrite.
I took a very constructive and reasonable approach to Paul but he was unwilling to help. You cannot deny that!
You are not behaving in a very christian manner.
Look at the FACTS not the LIES:-
http://time4change2013.blogspot.co.uk/
Latest UPDATE:-
http://time4change2013.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/please-sign-petition-and-boycott.html
Phil, I still can’t see my comments on your blog!
You have shown yourself to be a hypocrite and an untrustworthy source of information. You have delberatly manipulated the facts to protect your colleague (who you also cleverly claim not to know very well) and his public image, with no concern for the people of Uganda.
You clearly are neither a good man or a christian, if you continue to deliberately cover Paul Shinners tracks, while ignoring the facts.
Are you really that hypocritical to censor me, after the crap you gave me about being fair?
Your attempts to manipulate public opinion have been clever, but have only shown you to be one of Paul Shinners puppets.
Your continued efforts to pervert the truth will only intensify my efforts.
You might want to grow up and post my comments before Paul blames you for only making the situation worse!
Phil, why have you not challenged me on my conclusion that Shinners is part of an ANTI-GAY CULT. If i am wrong please correct me, but as you have picked apart everything else people have said, why have you not picked me up on this? The only logical conclusion is that you know it to be true!
Please read my latest post for more information
http://time4change2013.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/please-sign-petition-and-boycott.html
http://time4change2013.blogspot.co.uk/
Phil, I still can’t see my comments on your blog.
You have shown yourself to be an untrustworthy and biased source of information.
I contacted Paul with a constructive, open-minded, reasonable approach, but had no luck, and now you pop up with your “smear campaign” propaganda.
You clearly are neither a good man nor a christian if you continue to deliberately cover Paul Shinners tracks and manipulate the facts.
Are you really that hypocritical to censor me, after the crap you gave me about being fair? You are a joke.
Your attempts to manipulate public opinion have been clever, but have only shown you to be one of Paul Shinners puppets.
Your continued efforts to pervert the truth will only intensify my efforts.
You might want to grow up and post my comments before Paul blames you for only making the situation worse!
You have picked apart anything anyone has said against Shinners in great detail, yet you have not challenged my evidence proving that Shinners is part of an ANTI-GAY church!
If i am wrong, i’m sure you would’ve let me know by now!
You yourself have shown that you don’t know paul well or even know what homophobia means!
You are the one clutching at straws. Paul Shinners got caught and you people really think he can get away with it? You have made the blunder. You really should start preparing some letters of apology, before you go down with the sinking ship.
Daniel, please stop jumping to conclusions: your comments were identified as spam by Akismet, the WordPress spam filter. There is no censorship and nothing underhanded going on here: I’ve been offline for the last 16 hours or so, and I’m not in the habit of checking the spammed comments — there are simply too many of them and 99.9% of the time, Akismet gets it right.
I’m aware of your comments now because you mentioned them here: thank you.
Now, setting aside your railing against me, to your specific points:
1. You assert that Paul is part of “part of an ANTI-GAY church”. You have not adduced any evidence for that beyond noting that they appear to have fundamentalist tendencies. If they have published a specific statement condemning LGBT people, please provide a link to that statement. Without such a statement, your observations amount to nothing more than presumption.
2. You assert that I “know what homophobia means”. I have offered you Stonewall’s definition: do you have a problem with that definition?
Thank you.
Mr. Groom can you please write an article on your CHristian website against the anti-gay Bill in Uganda instead of wasting all your time defending Shinners. I can provide any information you need.
I do have an issue with a definition of homophobia that allows a loophole to justify believing homosexuality is a sin while claiming not to be “homophobic”. Would you prefer the term ANTI-GAY?
You say you have many comments you consider spam, are you deliberately perverting public opinion as Shinners has done?
If River church is gay friendly (which there is no evidence of!!!), where is their public statement asserting that fact? Or do they believe homosexuality is a sin (which is easily inferred from their literature) and that Jesus can cure them, as someone anonymously posted on my blog in defense of River church?
River Church (Registered Charity 1127383) enjoy a CHARITY status, as does Paul Shinners’ “Passion for Souls” (Registered Charity 1131321), but they appear to be in breach of the charity commissions rules regarding fostering religious extremism. I just wanted to give Paul and River Church a chance to explain themselves before i made a formal complaint to the Charity Commission.
River Church is not a christian church, it is an extremist cult. You cannot deny that. Everything on their website proves they are an ANTI-GAY CULT. There is no other way to interpret it.
I clearly know far more about Uganda than you and even Paul Shinners (if he and you are being honest). Do some research before you start throwing stones. You aren’t behaving in a very christian manner and you still haven’t apologized.
Are you also a member of the River Church Cult or just a sympathizer?
Have you asked Shinners any questions or just been sent by him to cover his tracks?
Can you PLEASE ask Paul Shinners to contact me if anything on my blog is inaccurate. He has corrected me so far, so as i have had no further corrections, i must consider it all accurate and that further action is necessary.
If Paul had simply met me and answered my polite questions in the beginning i would have accepted them. But he has shown himself to be devious and dishonest and the more you attack me and Melanie without questioning Paul for yourself, the worse you look.
Where is Paul’s letter to the people of Uganda or his fellow evangelists? Why do you continue to avoid the real issues?
Paul spoke at an ANTI-GAY rally in Uganda. He has provided no proof of his innocence. Did he not record the event? That would prove his innocence (if he is innocent), but he has given no evidence to show that the Daily Monitor was wrong, NONE! Paul could have deliberately given them the wrong name to discredit any article they printed. If that is your only argument to prove Paul’s innocence then you are either a very close-minded person or being deliberately facetious.
If you were a good moral christian you would stop spreading lies and misinformation and apologize, but you have not!
Please allow any negative comments on your blog. You are behaving like a child.
Sorry, point 2 there should read, ‘You assert that I don’t “know what homophobia means”’ etc. Apologies for the typo.
https://oblogdeeoblogda.me/2013/02/23/hateful-anti-gay-video-features-ugandan-host-of-u-k-preacher-paul-shinners/
Slap a Nazi SS cap on Sklnner’s head- as well as these other evangelical Ugandan homophobes.. (Skinner/Skinhead)
The ironic bit? The white evangelists are also closet racists…
The Ugandans are being played like idiots. They are turning in their own countrymen to support a bunch who would shackle them if they could…